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In The Room
Dylan Byers Dylan Byers
Greetings from Montecito, happy 2025, and welcome back to In the Room. Cheers to Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen on a refreshingly genuine and thoroughly amusing New Year’s Eve broadcast on CNN, complete with Diplo tripping during his interview and Whitney Cummings roasting CNN for its post-election ratings drop. The network still has its moments. In tonight’s email, a Talmudic reading of the latest post-election trade-window reporter transfers, and what they reveal about the state of play at The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, and Politico. Mentioned in this email: Will Lewis, Matt Murray, Olivia Beavers, Meridith McGraw, Tyler Pager, Matea Gold, Phil Rucker, Dasha Burns, Peter Baker, Mark Leibovich, David Fahrenthold, Gavin Bade, Emma Tucker, Ashley Parker, Michael Scherer, Josh Dawsey, and many more… But first…
  • 🍸 The Grill Room: Earlier this week, media sage, friend of Puck, and former Hearst Magazines president Troy Young returned to the podcast for another installment in our ongoing discourse on the evolving media landscape. And on Friday, Ben Smith stopped by to talk about Semafor’s business and survey the state of America’s newsrooms heading into the next Trump cycle. Follow along on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.
    Troy, who’s been experimenting with A.I. platforms to supplement his media diet, was particularly insightful on the topic of how companies like ChatGPT or Perplexity AI, a “conversational search engine,” don’t just pose a threat to Google—they present an entirely new paradigm to engage with news media, too. Here’s Troy, lightly edited, on why he’s excited about the technology… Troy Young: To me, there are three core modalities that we need to think about: One is search, which is still going to be around for a long time and is the navigational backbone of the internet; then there are feeds and the live stuff that gets pushed at you and is curated in some shape or form by an algorithm or editor; and the new one is ChatGPT, where you go ask questions and interrogate things. ChatGPT is a little like search, an old process of informing yourself through the news, because you can interrogate any subject in ChatGPT. Then there is Perplexity, which wants to be a news feed because there’s a lot of money and value in that. What that amounts to is the second tab in Perplexity, which has essentially pre-formatted queries that turn chat into a feed of things that are the news of the day. Right now, we’re seeing a lot of people fight to build news aggregators that somehow will be the thing you go to every day to get your news. OpenAI doesn’t do news yet, but it’s not inconceivable that they’re going to start to be proactive, because they know a lot. They can query the system according to who you are and they can create a feed for you. So this line between what is chat and what is a feed is really interesting. For example, I’ve been on a little bit of a rabbit hole around Bob Dylan lately. I saw the movie on Saturday, and when I was in the car on the way home, I decided to open up ChatGPT and sort of interrogate a bunch of Bob Dylan songs with the chat. I went through Like A Rolling Stone, and asked Chat to deconstruct all six verses, go through line by line, talk about the brilliance of each of the lines and what Dylan meant by his words, and what the critical response was at the time. And it was incredibly satisfying, because it was really, really smart… I think this is a category of media that’s going through a real period of change.
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Politico, Brother, Where Art Thou?

Politico, Brother, Where Art Thou?

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This week, a team of editors at The Washington Post sent a practically funereal note to their staff announcing the regrettable defection of one of their top young political journalists. After “a remarkable, scoop-filled run as a White House reporter,” Tyler Pager had decided to take his talents five blocks west to The New York Times, where he will soon reunite with Matea Gold, the longtime Post managing editor who also migrated to the Times last month after being passed over for the Post’s top editor job. “Tyler’s loss will be keenly felt in the Post newsroom,” the paper’s national editor Phil Rucker wrote, “but we wish him the best in this new phase of his career.” The lavish praise heaped upon Pager, a skilled but modestly accomplished twenty-something reporter, was at once a diplomatic farewell, a genuine expression of loss, and, frankly, a hunger scream from Post institutionalists who have been losing great reporters for years—Fahrenthold, Costa, Leibo in a previous lifetime, ditto Peter Baker—and are now witnessing another alarming post-election exodus. Since last week, when I reported on these impending defections, the Post’s Ashley Parker and Michael Scherer have left for The Atlantic, star Trump reporter Josh Dawsey is still loose in the saddle and entertaining offers from the paper’s competitors, and a host of other reporters are eyeing the exits. On the opinion side, several editors and columnists have also left the paper. Whatever you make of it, the Post’s brain drain reflects a true inflection point for the storied institution—and a decisive moment for its publisher Will Lewis and his hand-picked executive editor Matt Murray. (As I’ve reported, Lewis has decided to officially anoint Murray as editor, but has yet to announce it.) Lewis’s yearlong tenure has been largely defined by mutual contempt between him and his newsroom, which he rarely visits: He has been audibly impatient with their myopia and aversion to change, at the same time that many reporters lament his brash demeanor and disregard for sacred Post customs, all while quietly suspecting that he doesn’t really have a plan to save the paper. (An alternate theory: He does have a strategy but won’t reveal it for fear of another bout of upheaval. Alas, the outmoded economics of the newsroom businesses requires this unhappy couple to remain married despite seemingly irreconcilable differences.) Now, after naively and consistently thinking that Lewis would be forced to leave for all his sins—the Buzbee slight, the Murdoch stuff, the Folkenflik offense—only his uppermost talent are departing for greener pastures. It’s a shitty situation, and one that was both entirely avoidable and yet nonetheless necessary. I’m not Dr. Phil, but it’s unhealthy to despise your colleagues. Lewis anticipated, and certainly welcomes, some of this post-election turnover, as I’ve noted before. The Post has spent years coddling journalists who were just as responsible for its lackluster editorial product as the editors and operators they blamed for their misfortune. That said, it’s hard to imagine that driving the most notable political reporters out of the building was really part of the plan. Stars like Dawsey and Parker had achieved pseudo-celebrity status in the first Trump term, and might have been poised to recapture that fame in the next. (Although, to be honest, a post-Trump ennui exists at both the Post and the Times. Maybe it’s time for a new generation to take over…) In an early interview with Semafor, Lewis described Scherer as his favorite reporter at the paper (though he also had to search for his name—“red tie, glasses…”—so maybe he was paying a little bit of lip service). Whatever the case, the mass migration of high-profile Posties, coupled with Murray’s whispered coronation, likely marks the end of this highly depressing internal blame game. Bezos won without stepping foot off his yacht, the people who once defined the paper are leaving, and Lewis is now responsible for envisioning the next chapter with a new stable of talent—and with only a few of his apparent nine lives available to him. The challenge, of course, is figuring out how to lure talent to a place that everyone seems to be leaving. And yet, as Posties know well, there is an excess of quality journalists in the market and a paucity of jobs available. Lewis and Bezos may have screwed the pooch and alienated plenty of the building, but they have many macroeconomic trends on their side.

Poaching Politico

Speaking of turnover, another notable D.C. media exodus took place this week across the Potomac at Politico, where political reporter Meridith McGraw, congressional reporter Olivia Beavers, and trade and economics reporter Gavin Bade all jumped ship, at the same time, to The Wall Street Journal. Emma Tucker’s midnight raid on Politico speaks to the endurance of the Journal’s own political reportage in the second Trump term; after knocking her D.C. bureau down to the studs, she is rebuilding it with younger and conveniently less expensive talent. (And if you’re engaged in that sort of Washington rebuilding effort, where else to poach from but Politico, the traditional D.C. feeder academy?) At the same time, the Politico defections, which come on the heels of a dozen or so other departures in the last year, highlight that newsroom’s enduring aimlessness in its core Washington coverage. Notably, the McGraw defection leaves Politico without a super well-sourced Trump reporter, as its incoming White House bureau chief Dasha Burns was primarily on the DeSantis beat during the 2024 cycle. (McGraw appears to have felt big-footed by the Dasha hire; time will tell whether Politico made the right tradeoff, but their second-coming-of-Jesus rollout likely didn’t help.) Politico remains a formidable, very profitable business thanks largely to its policy-focused mega-expensive enterprise subscription business and its trans-Atlantic expansion. But its own forfeiture of agenda-setting politics coverage—which has been a reality for years—is no less remarkable than the diminished fortunes of the Post, itself. What gives? Of late, there’s been a fair amount of internal finger pointing within that institution, as well. Several journalists have blamed co-founder John Harris and his Kushneresque news chief Alex Burns for an exacting and sometimes overbearing editing process in which Burns seems barely able to mask his annoyance with his reporters’ copy. Presumably, management feels like it wouldn’t have to be so overbearing if the reporters were able to meet the bar on their own. More generally, there seems to be a lack of clarity about Politico’s editorial mission in an arena where the Times sets the agenda, Axios publishes a half a dozen alarm-emoji-inflected daily microscoops, and Punchbowl eats everyone’s lunch on a quotidian basis on the Hill. Politico leadership perpetually signals that it is on the cusp of a transformation, but whatever moves are coming will need to be more transformative than a few rudimentary off-season hires. In recent weeks, a rumor has taken hold in the Politico newsroom that Burns may soon be moving back to New York. There’s no truth to it yet, I’m told, but perhaps it speaks to the broader discontent, and a hope that the status quo might soon change. If true, that would potentially force Harris—an accomplished and avuncular mentor type, but not quite the visionary peer to his Axios stepbrothers—to find a new princeling to enforce his vision so he can reign as the paterfamilias. Meanwhile, of course, this sort of talent leakage is nothing new for the company, which previously survived the departures of Mike Allen and Maggie Haberman and Ben Smith, among so many others. Indeed, under the stewardship of Axel Springer, it may believe, like the Post, that its future is based more than ever on its brand rather than its star talent, and the joke is on us for caring. After all, the Journal deprives stars of their voice. The Times, for its part, has become such a parking lot for talent that, with the notable exception of Haberman, few have been able to meaningfully differentiate themselves upon arrival. Recall that Axel’s other principal U.S. holdings include Insider and Morning Brew. Quick: Name your favorite journalists at one of those places. That’s what I thought…
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