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May 07, 2025
In The Room
Dylan Byers Dylan Byers
Greetings from Los Angeles and welcome back to In the Room. The internet is changing before our very eyes. In testimony before the Justice Department, Apple’s Eddy Cue said his company is “actively looking” at overhauling its Safari browser to use A.I. services from the likes of OpenAI, Perplexity, and Anthropic in place of Google, which has long been Safari’s default search engine. Alphabet shares fell 9 percent in the immediate aftermath. I suppose the silver lining there is that Google can use that drop to try to convince the D.O.J. that it’s not a monopoly. In tonight’s issue, a preview of some of the more intriguing storylines likely to come out of next week’s upfronts, from NBCU’s Versant spin to ESPN’s full-scale streaming pivot. 🍸 Plus, on the latest edition of The Grill Room, Julia Alexander and I discussed the “Bravofication” of the internet—where multiplatform content ignites a 24/7 media cycle, endless engagement loops, and new lanes for monetization. We also dig into the influence of niche communities and the impact of tentpole events on media consumption. Follow The Grill Room on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you prefer to listen. Mentioned in this issue: Brian Roberts, David Zaslav, Shari Redstone, Mark Lazarus, Mark Thompson, Bob Iger, Jimmy Pitaro, Jimmy Kimmel, Rich Greenfield, and many, many more… Let’s get started…
  • Shari and the senators: As representatives for Paramount and Trump deliberate over the terms of a settlement to the president’s $20 billion lawsuit against 60 Minutes, Bernie Sanders and a consortium of U.S. senators have called on Shari Redstone to avoid “the grave mistake” of rewarding Trump for a “bogus” lawsuit. “We urge you and the board of directors at Paramount to make it clear to President Trump today that Paramount will not surrender to his attack on the First Amendment,” Sanders wrote in a letter signed by Sens. Murphy, Durbin, Merkley, Whitehouse, Warren, Blumenthal, Markey, and Welch. “Stand up for freedom of the press and our democracy. Do not capitulate to this dangerous move to authoritarianism. Do not settle this case.”Reader, Shari is still very likely to settle the case. As I noted last week, Trump has her over the barrel: She is highly leveraged, her company has shed 70 percent of its value in six years, and the Skydance deal represents the best, and possibly last, available exit other than a full-scale P.E. dismemberment.
  • Find and Sicha: Choire Sicha, a star of the late-aughts Gawker-era New York media scene who went on to become the New York Times Styles editor and then editor-at-large at New York, has been tapped to serve as the lead features editor for CNN. Per the release, he will lead a team of writers and editors overseeing features at verticals “such as Travel, Style and Wellness and Culture”—yet another small step in Mark Thompson’s yearslong slog toward a reinvention of CNN Digital.Choire is a unique talent, and CNN is lucky to have him. Still, this feels a little dispiriting. Four years ago, Choire quit the Times, citing a rather acute case of burnout—“unhappy,” “exhausted,” crying at work. It’s hard to imagine he’ll find greater fulfillment trying to infuse irreverent sophistication into a beleaguered and sexless mass-market cable news network in the throes of linear decline. Then again, his decision to leave Vox Media may also speak to the pangs of that beleaguered mediaco, which seems to be suffering the fate of Time Inc. but in the span of a mere decade. Presumably, Thompson offered him twice or more what Bankoff could. Good for him. But one wonders what Awl-era Choire would have made of it.
  • Pamela Paul lands at WSJ: Pamela Paul, the former New York Times columnist who garnered some attention for breaking with liberal orthodoxy on various topics du jour—Gaza, #MeToo, J.K. Rowling—has joined The Wall Street Journal as a writer at large. Her hire will either enhance Emma Tucker’s clever modernization of the broadsheet or invite a little more scrutiny. Either way, the Journal continues to be the most interesting paper of the Trump era thus far.
  • Punchbowl co-founder exits: Punchbowl News co-founder and product and growth chief Rachel Schindler has left the congressional news startup, per sources familiar. The departure was apparently amicable: Rachel had been a Swiss Army knife for the company in its early stages, assisting fellow co-founders Anna Palmer, Jake Sherman, and John Bresnahan with myriad aspects of the business. She had joined Punchbowl from Meta, where she assisted Campbell Brown on media partnerships and news initiatives, and I am told she will now reunite with her former boss on an A.I.-related project.
  • Speaking of Politico: I’m told that Politico’s White House editor, Noah Bierman, is leaving after less than six months on the job to join The Washington Post. There doesn’t seem to be much drama here—obviously, this wasn’t the right fit—but it’s not ideal. Politico editorial chiefs John Harris, Jonathan Greenberger, and Alex Burns have been trying to write a new chapter for the company following years of inertia in Washington—hiring Dasha Burns, resuscitating their Hill operation, etcetera—and Bierman’s abrupt move suggests they still have work to do to get their house in order.
  • And finally… Dear Media C.E.O. Michael Bosstick tells The New York Times that the woman-focused podcast network—with shows like The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast (which Bosstick hosts with his wife, Lauryn), The Toast, What We Said, etcetera—has raised about $12 million and does between $50 million and $100 million in annual revenue. That’s… quite a range!
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A New ESPN Chapter & Versant Notes

A New ESPN Chapter & Versant Notes

At next week’s upfronts, NBCU’s Mark Lazarus will be selling the synergistic post-linear potential of Versant, formerly known as SpinCo, while ESPN prepares Flagship for its maiden voyage.
Dylan Byers Dylan Byers
Next week, the nation’s largest TV networks and streamers will treat their advertising partners to a showcase of their forthcoming content slates: new shows, returning shows, sporting events, etcetera. The upfronts—a once-opulent, multiday wine-and-dine affair across greater Midtown, from Radio City Music Hall and Madison Square Garden to the Beacon Theater and Hammerstein Ballroom—has become a bit more subdued in the post-Covid late-stage linear era. But it remains a cornerstone of the business: a tussle for advertising commitments fought with sizzle reels and diminishing expense accounts. Without being too hyperbolic, this year’s event comes at a rather obvious inflection point for the industry. Yes, the TV business has been contracting for decades now—indeed, Jimmy Kimmel has been doing some version of his ratings-go-down, prices-go-up joke at the Disney upfront since 2010—but 2025 is indisputably the year when the gradual decline truly gave way to free fall. Brian Roberts is spinning off the NBCUniversal cable assets, ex-Bravo; David Zaslav has given Warner Bros. Discovery optionality to do the same; Shari is trying to sell Paramount (if she can assuage Trump and Carr); Iger is moving ESPN’s focus to streaming. So on, so forth. In that regard, there have been a few notable developments in the run-up to the forthcoming showcases. This week, NBCU’s Mark Lazarus unveiled the official name for SpinCo—Versant—while hinting at an M&A strategy that, contrary to expectations, will not focus on adding more cable networks to the portfolio. Laz, the soon-to-be Versant C.E.O., instead cited Golf Channel’s acquisition of tee-time reservation app GolfNow as a model for future acquisitions. In an interview with CNBC, he suggested that the financial news network might acquire personal finance or fintech platforms to boost its digital offering. For MSNBC, he suggested acquiring podcasts and creating a podcast network as a separate business unit from the linear network. Meanwhile, each brand will be responsible for its own streaming strategy. Some Versant brands are better positioned for digital growth than others, as I noted last month. CNBC is far from realizing the full potential of its digital business, whereas MSNBC has a much less obvious path to post-linear relevance (respectfully, a liberal podcast network won’t get them there). Either way, it’s impossible to look at Versant’s smattering of stand-alone brands, all struggling to determine their own piecemeal digital diversification strategies, and not feel an even stronger conviction that these assets will eventually be sold off one by one, or handed over to a private equity firm like Apollo for expedited value extraction. Obviously, Laz will spin a very different narrative onstage at Radio City next week, but there’s really only so much lipstick you can put on the pig. For what it’s worth, the Versant neologism, like Quibi and Tronc before it, has inspired a lot of unforgiving humor highlighting its resemblance to pharma-babble. The word actually refers to “a slope,” which inadvertently connotes decline. In the meantime, NBCUniversal has afforded its redheaded stepchild a relatively soft landing: On Wednesday, it announced a deal to sell advertising inventory for Versant for two years—the same duration of time Brian must wait in order to sell the company without taking a tax hit.

Flagship Takes Shape

Not unrelatedly, Disney’s ESPN will engage in its own rebranding effort next week. On a quarterly earnings call this week, Iger said that ESPN chairman Jimmy Pitaro would reveal the name and pricing strategy for ESPN “Flagship”—the streaming service that will integrate ESPN’s core linear offerings with all the additional ESPN+ content, while allegedly serving as a sort of streaming hub for sports (likely with the help of Hulu and Fubo)—at the upfront. (Maybe I’m naive, but why not just call that “ESPN”?) If any linear network can successfully navigate the shift to streaming, it’s ESPN, which has a formidable portfolio of live sports rights and maintains unrivaled brand recognition in sports media. Even so, Disney will have an uphill climb regenerating the cashflow that ESPN extracted from distributors during the apex of the cable era. In essence, Pitaro has two challenges: first, to persuade enough subscribers to sign up for the service at $25 to $30 a month, and watch games in the Flagship app rather than on linear or YouTube TV or elsewhere; and second, to give them enough ancillary content to keep them engaged with the app outside of live sports—a challenge that media analyst Rich Greenfield likens to creating a “modern-day version of SportsCenter” that can compete with the short-form sports content readily available on TikTok, Reels, YouTube, and X. Both Iger and Pitaro seem bullish, but it’s a tall order. Of course, most networks will be trying to sell advertisers on a more familiar arrangement. NBCU, especially, will lean heavily on its live sports inventory (Super Bowl, Olympics, etcetera) and Fox will do the same, while also touting the dominance of its Fox News business—which, as the network announced this week, now accounts for the top 1,000 newscasts since Trump’s election. But the more intriguing storylines revolve around the businesses that are trying to attempt a digital pivot and create their own miniature versions of the walled-garden ecosystems that Amazon and Netflix long ago achieved at scale. Most of them won’t make it, but maybe ESPN will. Either way, it’ll sure be interesting to watch them try.
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