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Josh Shapiro Is Done Lying Low

A candid conversation with Pennsylvania’s governor as he ramps up for reelection and beyond, including what he really thinks of Gavin Newsom, his stance on Israel, and how Democrats can win back white men.

Josh Shapiro
"Folks can be worried about the fate of our democracy and the evisceration of their fundamental rights and freedoms, and also be pissed at Donald Trump that stuff costs more when they go to the grocery store. You have to be able to address both," says governor Josh Shapiro. Photo: Mandel Ngan/AFP/Getty Images
Peter Hamby
November 6, 2025

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Unlike the other famous Democratic governors eyeing the White House—Gavin Newsom in California, JB Pritzker in Illinois, Andy Beshear in Kentucky—Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro has spent most of the last year dodging the national spotlight. One reason is logistical: Shapiro is up for a second term next year, and he can’t run for president if he fumbles his reelection bid in the country’s premier battleground state. Waging a daily war against Donald Trump—as the pugilistic Newsom is with each passing news cycle—probably wouldn’t help Shapiro’s cause in a state that the president won last year.